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@ SushantaMogAdemás, I can see how consciousness and thinking can get out of chemistry and circuitry in the brain evolución.Paso evolución.Pero by step if you say that consciousness / I / I / thought is independent. . . When did it start? Why? Do all animals there? Even the jellyfish? Even the ants? Or worms that have no central nervous system? I can see how thinking has evolved over the NSC. I do not see how you can say really happened to consciousness in a stage of evolution.
@ SushantaMogNo has given you no reason to think that skepticism is good, we only had promovió.Si through this again, you have obviously ignored everything I’ve always said, or is the train that dudo.Nosotros FIND chemical affects how we think. What do you make of all these hormones in our brain, in the first place? We warm up and begin to think about their peers because química.También know the circuit may be used to think. . . AI
@ Vitringur do you mean no reason? I just gave you a reason why. Where are reasons to believe that consciousness arises from the chemistry? I say they are only conventions, a decision supported by a consensus must be chemistry, simply because we like to describe things with chemistry. Of course, my reason is very subjective, but because they believe that consciousness is inherently subjective and objective attempt any product at best a shadow of truth.
@SushantaMog
Cogito ergo sum – I think, therefore I exist
Cogito ergo cogito sum – I think, therefore I think I exist
Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum – I think that I think, therefore I think that I exist
. . . and so on
@ SushantaMogNo, it simply means that you are selfconsciouss. It says nothing about what consciousness is the fact, what causes it or if it is indeed free albedrío.Usted said there because what you think. . . I could not say no:) YouTube. -> / Watch? V =-r3QZ2Ko FogPero, as I said, we have no reason to believe that thought is something more than chemical reactions in the brain. Maybe!. . . but as I said, until now we have no reason to think
@ EtyrnalNo explains everything. I never said I did. But you do not explain anything, and spiritual thought, never! Just say what we know, and led to logical conclusions from that. If you can not proove that there is more to think that chemicals and circuits. . . please. Until then, please stop trying to introduse sceptisism here. I am a defense of this position
@ Vitringur can handle circuits of a TV, but does not eliminate the question … a mechanistic view of the universe does not explain everything
@ Vitringur “I think therefore I am” is a masturbation matrixian mind? What would you say: “I only know that I know nothing.” The two are somehow an expression of realization that our experience is limited by our senses. It is, in my opinion, one of the steps needed for important information. The next question might be: “Who takes matters anyway.” This gives rise to a reason to think that perhaps consciousness is fundamental and not an emergent property of matter, it is probably both:)
@ SushantaMogNo more. He simply said what we do, indeed, know and draw logical conclusions from that knowledge. Of course, I do not think like calculators. . . because we are not calculators. He does not think like bullfrogs. . . this does not mean there is something fundamentally different between pensamiento.No I think it could be seen from the inside and therefore much sense to speak. Matrixian mind masturbation can be fun. . . but we learn very little about his
@ SomethingtangyNo say I know everything about the human brain. I simply said that we know and the logical conclusions from that knowledge. Of course, some “other” may be part of the process. . . But it’s just something that we can not say anything about it and speak sense.
@ Vitringur do not know if our thinking is another kind of calculations on a computer, i. e. Handling information in general. I do know that math problems are not solved in the field of information technology (halting problem). Not calculating an incompleteness theorem and so on, perhaps with intelligent programming. . . No life se.La / reference is the existence of nature could be a game of virtual reality simulation, how do you up inside?
@ Vitringur No, no, no. . . I am not “in fact” suggests something like a soul there and I’m not trying to prove. I’m just saying that you do not know what they say. I respect your situation and I agree that the mind is composed of chemical reactions, but does not prove anything programming or discount. It is a chicken and egg question. It is not scientific to say “do not know” where further research and the formulation of the hypothesis is constructed. If you can not prove, however, can not
SushantaMogWTH @? How do you know that our way of thinking is different computers? Of course, 50 years of computing that have not replicated the evolution 400 million years of our central nervous system. . . is cierto.Pero see no reason why they are different and not only the most complejas.No know what you mean when you say “life” or “nature.” . . sounds like rubbish to me. Most of life is not conscious of nature is that the “laws of nature” burden of proof is on you:)
INFACT @ SomethingtangyPero you suggesting the existence of a soul, so the onus is on you, saying yo.Estoy not just something that we know that the chemicals affect the way we think and act (and not only understand the process) and I think the computers since it was not regular and revés.Con believe that knowledge is more likely that the thought is the product of some chemical reactions, not inversa.pero I I know! It unscientifc
Each human perception, thought, decision and action is a product of the intensity and quality that accepts and transmits naturaleza.Google the underlying law is (for example, the underlying law of nature ). Further information on the legislation underlying nature has put online soon.
Nah degree
He is so freakin awesome!
The meaning of life is to live
Close Vitringur @ AI exists in the material itself, but we also know that ours is not and it could be fundamentally different. You also make the assumption that our body is like the machine / equipment and there is a program that runs. What I was talking about is closer to say that these are the programs and their boards of germs on a computer called life or nature or something that the computer / analogy and I think this program is not:)
that we “know” everything that is purely physical as we know we can not say such a thing as a soul exists. The view seems to reflect the physical, including our efforts in technology and the prevailing view in the hyper religious reflects the time that religious belief dominated.
@ Vitringur How do you know that the idea that chemical control of our consciousness and thinking are not “similar, consisting of stories?” The mind has the unique ability to adapt to chemical inputs, well, something of a team or form of artificial intelligence can not do. you pump someone full of a certain chemical, and it will take more than the chemicals so they can get the same effect. I’m not saying that our body is a gaseous mass “soul” of cells guide, but is a bit too early
@ Somethingtangy Do you think the teams that are already planned or do you think of computer programming is due to independent thought on your computer? There is no reason to think that our consciousness can exist without programming in the brain, which is with chemicals.
@ SushantaMogNo no reason to think that. Computers have AI and understand the programming behind it. Programming is not because the computer is thinking the thoughts of the computer due to programación. No see no reason to think that we are different, simply because we do not understand the program for time.
@ CuriousMoth Even with the analogy of the machine is that you’re the whole machine, not a game.
@ Censurabass Yes, I think so. A lack of objective meaning, we find ourselves, give us reason to live.